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ineptech 20 hours ago [-]
Errant thought - I kind of hope that the actual social network for developers of the not so distant future looks more like a bunch of us separately building bespoke applications to serve files to each other.
> Dave: "Bot, add a folder to my personal data store with the pictures I took this weekend and share it with everyone in my poker group"
> Sally: "I see that I've gotten an email from Dave with a magic link conveying access to something. Bot, use this link to negotiate a key exchange with whatever weird app Dave cobbled together (ask his bot if you need help) and then log into my VPS and add a tab to my personal webapp to display the content he has shared."
Isn't that just called hosting a website?.. You can just give an agent access to your server and let them do all that, no?
There are also places like https://tilde.town/ if you want something more social media–esque
rustyhancock 1 hours ago [-]
I applied for a tilde account some years ago and never even heard back from the vetting process.
I suppose I can't say I don't want to be part of it without sounding like sour grapes.
But if you don't like me you can join them and benefit from them keeping riff-raff like me out!
ineptech 18 hours ago [-]
Think of it this way - why didn't we all just replace Facebook with "host files on our personal sites and give each other access to them" ten years ago? Because we'd have to store passwords, identify each other past spoofed emails, figure out when/how to trust friends of friends, etc. In practice that means everyone adopting the same protocol, which is a chicken-and-egg problem.
That hasn't changed, but what has changed is that reading docs and writing the glue code is effectively free. The main problem with something like Solid is, if it takes even an hour to figure out how to get it going, I am effectively assigning my friends an hour of homework to be able to network with me. That's no longer true. If you like the Fediverse and I like Solid and Dave uses Nostr and Sally is stuck with some proprietary thing that came with her NAS, we can all build a network without any of us switching to, or even learning much about, each other's platforms.
raggi 13 hours ago [-]
It’s actually changed for the worse. Now everyone wants their slop to be the winning protocol, so the competing standards problem has become far broader
voidfunc 19 hours ago [-]
Just need to dust off the finger protocol.
layer8 18 hours ago [-]
I like that it’s email-based.
soulofmischief 12 hours ago [-]
I thought this is why we established standards. I truly hope the LLM singularity brings further adherence to existing standards and doesn't lead to an explosion in protocols and formats. That sounds like a nightmare! :)
MisterMunchkin 37 minutes ago [-]
It’s a good idea but twitter is the worst possible implementation of social media. You don’t get any sort of discussion, it’s just people slopping into the feed.
Maybe I'm blind, but what's the issue here? Users (that are GitHub usernames by the way) and commits (posts) are public. This is not a security concern whatsoever.
Perhaps these require an "acceptable browser" and/or an account
Why sitemap URLs. Because I'm a sitemaps user; I use sitemap files every day
The /dev/null ones seem to be easily accessible. Unlike some other "social networks"
anavid7 16 hours ago [-]
wow, very secure..
talon8635 15 hours ago [-]
lol, outstanding
SwellJoe 16 hours ago [-]
Mastodon is where I find the most (I hesitate to use this word) real nerds. The folks in it for the love of the game, not because it pays well or because they're chasing the latest trends. Nearly everyone I admire in tech is there, and very few of the people I think little of are.
Zambyte 15 hours ago [-]
My pleroma instance (alternative AP server) collapsed on itself, running out of storage mid upgrade, about two years ago. I didn't have the bandwidth to allocate to getting it back up and running, as I didn't have backups, and it wasn't an easy fix.Last weekend I pointed my (fully local!) agent at it, and it was able to get it back up and running.
Now that I have it up and running, my feed is entirely people just hating on LLMs. I have a hard time finding technical content that I enjoy on there these days.
SwellJoe 15 hours ago [-]
That's true, and it is a rift in the fediverse...some very anti-LLM voices are quite loud there. But, there are people there with a nuanced view of them, as well.
And, I would rather talk to an AI Luddite that's extraordinarily technically competent without AI assistance than someone who vibe-coded a startup with no idea how it works, and the former is far more common on the fediverse than the latter. I think it's unfortunate there's such a strong emotional component to talking about LLMs, as it's the most interesting technical innovation since the internet, but I understand it and I'm sympathetic to it (the AI companies have done a good job giving people reasons to hate and/or fear them).
Zambyte 11 hours ago [-]
Of course, I am happy to listen to people who feel strongly against AI as well, and being pro-AI is by no means a signal that someone will have anything interesting to say. My gripe with it is that AI hate seems to be a massive portion of what people (I see) talk about on there. I would love to see people talk about non- technical things, or technical things that don't involve AI, or things that do involve AI.
It's likely just my bubble on there, but man it's relentless. I don't want to just hear everything about what you hate. I want to hear what you love!
ambigious7777 9 hours ago [-]
I think it might just be the space in general, I've found my feed to be very full of anti-AI content too despite not seeking it out.
perching_aix 13 hours ago [-]
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cowlevel 2 hours ago [-]
You have to purge old non-local content cached on your server or it just fills up your disk over time. You can do it directly in the SQL database or there's a maintenance script that does it.
Karrot_Kream 14 hours ago [-]
I found success in starting our from an LLM positive poster and fanning out from their follows and building a follower graph. From there I fetch a few hundred of their posts and used an LLM to classify the posts as negative, mixed, or positive. I used this to winnow a set of follows. For now I just poll and generate a timeline HTML. This has yielded decent results.
But the problem with all of these Twitter clones is the political schism of Musk's acquisition has largely polarized the offshoots. You aren't just on alt-Twitter, you're on a specific polarized chunk of it.
Zambyte 11 hours ago [-]
I spend a lot more time on ATproto than on ActivityPub these days, amd yeah I agree with that. I find I prefer ATproto for non-technical content, and just don't really use microblogging for technology content anymore.
matheusmoreira 14 hours ago [-]
Which mastodon instance would you recommend?
SwellJoe 14 hours ago [-]
I'm on mas.to, which is, I believe, the second largest after mastodon.social. I picked it because it's got the shortest URL, but it has been quietly reliable and up to date. Its moderation and defederation policies are stricter than some might like.
I follow many people who use infosec.exchange and hachyderm.io and they seem to be nerd-oriented instances. But it doesn't matter all that much, since you can follow and interact across the whole federation. I'd say just pick one that's reasonably large and old enough to have proven it is run by people who know how to run a reliable service and are in it for the long haul. It's possible to move to a new instance with only a little inconvenience, so don't agonize too much over it.
matheusmoreira 13 hours ago [-]
> Its moderation and defederation policies are stricter than some might like.
That sucks. I'm not exactly looking forward to joining another community with "strict" moderation.
Every mastodon instance I look up seems to be like this... Guess I'm stuck on X.
SwellJoe 12 hours ago [-]
Every instance has their own moderation and defederation policies.
And, you might like to look into what that actually means. In the case of mas.to, the controversial decisions include defederation of instances that have a history of bigotry, usually anti-trans bigotry (the kind of bigotry lots of mainstream social sites allow and even protect).
Defederation is a large hammer, so some folks think mas.to is too strict. But, I personally prefer no slurs or child porn in my feed (adults posting nudes of themselves with a content warning is fine, both by my reckoning and the policy of mas.to), so I've never had reason to complain, nor have I ever had an interaction with moderators.
X is far more censorious than Mastodon of the kinds of free speech that are actually politically meaningful, so I'm surprised you call it out specifically as your free speech safe space. But, if you mean the same thing Musk means when you say "free speech", the right to punch down with impunity, perhaps X is the right place. Punching down is exactly the kind of thing that gets you banned on many Mastodon instances. It is a place that is by and large extremely intolerant of intolerance, but accepting of most everything else.
matheusmoreira 9 hours ago [-]
Don't think I could punch down on anyone even if I wanted to. I just don't fit in with the "intolerant of intolerance" folks.
Haven't seen anyone get censored on X without a court order yet, but I haven't been there that long. Who knows.
SwellJoe 7 hours ago [-]
"Haven't seen anyone get censored on X without a court order yet, but I haven't been there that long. Who knows."
I know. It isn't a mystery or a secret. It is easy for anyone, including you, to know.
It's pretty apparent neo-Nazis were welcomed back after Musk's purchase of the site and they've been paid for their engagement ragebait, while anyone who criticizes Musk or disagrees with his genocidal white nationalist views gets suspended or shadow-banned. Criticizing billionaires won't get you suspended on Mastodon, while hate speech against minorities will. I prefer that kind of moderation.
matheusmoreira 7 hours ago [-]
Thanks for the information. I do think that's pretty fucked up. I'd very much enjoy joining a community that doesn't have any censorship whatsoever, from any side.
I've resigned to the fact people are always going to identify some outgroup to shun. It sucks when you're that outgroup, and the intolerance is not at all limited to literal neonazism. Just being an AI user is enough to turn up the heat these days. So I'd rather nobody have that censorship privilege.
Basically, I don't like it when neonazis get a pass while those calling them out get banned. I don't like it when minorities get a pass either. It's the inconsistency that makes me lose all respect for the community.
TrueRider 4 hours ago [-]
>enjoy joining a community that doesn't have any censorship whatsoever, from any side.
HN is absolutely not such a place, unfortunately, the local censorship policy is very strong.
SwellJoe 6 hours ago [-]
No one is being banned on Mastodon for talking about using AI. I talk about using AI on Mastodon. You might get blocked by individual users who don't want AI in their feed (it's their feed, they make the rules). You might even get insulted; I haven't been, but I don't post AI-generated content without being intentional about what it is and why AI is being used to generate it. I've experimented with training LoRAs or building harnesses for all sorts of things, and I sometimes post about it, no big deal.
You might also get banned from some instances if you post AI-generated content without clearly labeling it as such; misinformation and disinformation is often something people report, and generative AI is often used for that.
It is misleading to say Mastodon is the same as X just "the other side". The policies on the most popular Mastodon instances can be summed up as "don't be a bigot" (i.e. don't use slurs, don't demean people for who they are...anti-semitism, anti-LGBTQ, racism, religious intolerance, will get you banned).
And, it would be misleading to say that users not wanting to look at what you post is censorship. Mastodon.social or mas.to or any of the other big instances are not going to ban you for talking about AI. But, you might catch some blocks and a few insults from individuals if you post AI in a deceptive or annoying way. You're not owed engagement. But, if you're polite about it, you'll find people who like to talk about the same things. Even including AI.
But, finally, what the hell does this even mean, "I don't like it when minorities get a pass either"? A pass for being a minority? If someone posts abusively, they get blocked, maybe reported and maybe catch a ban. But, simply posting while black is not getting a pass.
matheusmoreira 5 hours ago [-]
> don't use slurs
> don't demean people for who they are
Unless they are acceptable targets of some enemy outgroup.
People already have numerous slurs for AIs and their users, and they aren't shy about using them.
> A pass for being a minority?
A pass for the very same behavior they claim to be against.
I expect people who are offended by slurs not to level any slurs at others.
I expect people who object to racism not to be racist towards others.
I expect people who object to sexism not to be sexist towards others.
I expect people who object to doxxing not to do it to others.
I expect anti-fascists not to display overtly fascist behavior.
And so on, and so forth. Many have failed these simple consistency tests.
> maybe catch a ban
Doubt. It's far more likely that I'm the one who will get banned if I dare to bring any of this up.
I suppose that's the reason people like me end up on X.
TrueRider 4 hours ago [-]
>neo-Nazis were welcomed back...disagrees with his genocidal white nationalist views
What kind of nonsense are you talking about, show me at least one example of statements that can be interpreted in the way that you described? Leftists have gone completely berserk with their conspiracy theories.
And where are the calls for genocide? There is not a single post. Most of the posts are about criticism of the left and that racism against whites is true.
cowlevel 2 hours ago [-]
HN has strict moderation, so does email.
krapp 14 hours ago [-]
You can also get a personal hosted instance (I use masto.host) to serve as an identity instance pretty cheap, but you have to be careful about keeping track of media usage, avoid posting images and use relays sparingly.
Before that I just had an account on multiple (mostly gamedev) instances.
Mastodon has its issues but one benefit of decentralization is you don't really have to commit to anything.
cowlevel 2 hours ago [-]
Good point. With the centralised internet maybe we've become too accustomed to having a single identity for everything. On the old internet you had a different, unconnected account on every forum, and we liked it that way.
krapp 12 minutes ago [-]
I don't think anyone liked that necessarily, not having to deal with multiple logins is one reason decentralized social media and social logins took off.
Having identities tied to a domain and an instance is one of the biggest flaws with the fediverse IMO.
I'd much prefer something like Solid or Nostr where your identity is owned by you and described by a single file. Maybe involving PGP keys or some kind of cryptographic hash, although that might be too much of a barrier to be viable. It's a hard problem and the way the fediverse handles it is awkward at best.
baron3dl 12 hours ago [-]
the game.
lskdkekxnwixn 15 hours ago [-]
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010ED67913 3 hours ago [-]
you’re correct. unfortunately the type of people on hacker news these days are more interested in feeling self righteous than actually being correct. i think when Twitter was taken over it really shook a lot of them, so they seek refuge anywhere they can. open debate is what they fear the most, so the best route for them to avoid any risk of severe cognitive dissonance is to close off discussion and make “i’m correct and you’re wrong” the starting point. and yes to be specific i’m mostly talking about leftists
chownie 15 hours ago [-]
What motivates someone to make a new account just for this kind of mundane and inappropriately rude comment? Why should anyone answer you?
lskdkekxnwixn 14 hours ago [-]
So what you’re implying is that arguments are only valid coming from old accounts? Good to know. I guess HN really is turning into reddit, isn’t it?
cowlevel 2 hours ago [-]
That's always how HN has been. That's why some accounts have green names.
chownie 12 hours ago [-]
"Hey I'm a complete nobody and I'm also really rude, please answer my questions" is not a winning play, nor is the rest of this dumb bait you're trying.
x______________ 13 hours ago [-]
> What motivates someone to make a new account just for this kind of mundane and inappropriately rude comment?
Mental illnesses, fear, lack of trust, hatred for HN having a simplistic and prone-to-abuse account registration system, or being a complete asshat.. the list goes on.
SwellJoe 15 hours ago [-]
I wasn't talking to you, four minute old account.
lskdkekxnwixn 15 hours ago [-]
You didn’t mention anyone by name and this is an open forum, 19 year old account. Weird that such a basic premise escapes you with a near two decade old account.
SwellJoe 14 hours ago [-]
I don't need to name anyone, I defined the term. If you're a real nerd (by my definition, given in my comment), you will know the kind of person I have in mind, both for whom I think highly of and those I think little of.
ajjenkins 21 hours ago [-]
It would be nice if the website had more information about the platform before you create an account.
mnapoli 21 hours ago [-]
Fixed! Check out the website it shows content now, no landing page anymore
ajjenkins 20 hours ago [-]
Much better now, thanks!
I would describe the website as “twitter for developers and uses your GitHub account for auth”. It’s a simple concept, but I think using your GitHub account to sign in is a great idea and a meaningful differentiator. Good luck!
herbst 4 hours ago [-]
GitHub? You mean that complete, usually offliney, mess Microsoft dig a grave for? Not sure if that's a good idea in 2026
TZubiri 19 hours ago [-]
"twitter for developers and uses your GitHub account for auth"
No good developer would introduce such a security risk for novelty.
dkdkdkffi 16 hours ago [-]
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ersind 21 hours ago [-]
This was done only in two days, there are important pages missing.
embedding-shape 21 hours ago [-]
> This was done only in two days
So not at all ready to be seen? Maybe we should all flag this so it can re-appear once someone spent at least a bit of time on making it proper and ready for public consumption?
mystifyingpoi 21 hours ago [-]
Does this excuse the main page missing any information what this thing even is? Come on.
JdeBP 19 hours ago [-]
Thank you, but no. I'll stick with /dev/tty0 . It's federated.
createful 13 hours ago [-]
If it's called /dev/null... shouldn't all your responses be sent nowhere? Shouldn't it be a blank page? ;)
garciasn 12 hours ago [-]
Based on what I read, it was effectively that; just like all social networks.
methodical 19 hours ago [-]
Social media site for devs getting hug-of-death'd by HN... the irony!
RonanSoleste 19 hours ago [-]
If only we had wel developed solutions for that ;)
Joel_Mckay 12 hours ago [-]
There are, but most people don't understand channels or why the OTP is suited for this type of use-case. =3
I have a petty complaint: if you name your social network after a core Unix concept, then why make your users login exclusively through a Microsoft subsidiary?
pitched 21 hours ago [-]
GitHub is a social network already. You’re logging into one social network with another social network. And I’m complaining about that fact on a different social network. What has the world come to?
croes 2 hours ago [-]
Why do want your access to one social network be dependent on your access ti another social network?
Didn’t enough account bans happen to see that’s a bad idea?
ASalazarMX 21 hours ago [-]
DM me and subscribe if you want an explanation.
retromagik 21 hours ago [-]
Based on the branding, I think their target demographic assumes the dev in /dev/null is short for "Developers"
ASalazarMX 21 hours ago [-]
It's a cute name, but considering how combative developers can be about naming, I think it should have been more clever than cute.
If 'dev' is developer, 'null' makes me think it's for worthless developers, or for things that developers don't care about.
bee_rider 19 hours ago [-]
Well it is a social media site, isn’t that where everybody puts the things they don’t care about?
joshuat 21 hours ago [-]
dev = developer
bin = trash
cowlevel 2 hours ago [-]
etc = etceteria, a small island kingdom in OSRS.
lib = dumb politics go here
var = typo of car, automobiles go here
smnplk 18 hours ago [-]
Lmao
stephenlf 21 hours ago [-]
Is this a real question? If so, here’s a real answer:
GitHub is the single most widely adopted, developer-specific OIDC identity provider.
If it’s facetious, then WSL BABYYYYYY
mystifyingpoi 21 hours ago [-]
Why does this need OIDC at all? Basic email + password account is like 1-2 prompts away.
ASalazarMX 21 hours ago [-]
I guess at some point developers will have to prove they're serious developers by exposing their GitHub profile.
Edit: it's part of your profile already, better vibe code some random ideas to farm some GitHub dev credibility.
ranger_danger 21 hours ago [-]
I don't think a github profile (or any specific activity therein) should be a prerequisite for being considered a 'serious developer'.
Terr_ 19 hours ago [-]
Yeah, it strikes me as a very... Silicon-Valley-brained view of software development.
For example, I'm sure there's a scary-talented engineer working on fluid simulation algorithms for a major aerospace manufacturer, and they would be fired if their work-product ever left the corporate VPN. Meanwhile, their personal stuff is in a self-hosted solution.
ASalazarMX 20 hours ago [-]
I am of the same idea. Requiring online, public repositories, specifically in GitHub, doesn't cover all developers. It covers many of them nowadays, so there's that.
funshed 17 hours ago [-]
It's built on laravel, email/pass/2fa/forget is all built in. GitHub auth only was a choice.
hobofan 21 hours ago [-]
Because effective anti-spam account measures are not 1-2 prompts away.
cowlevel 2 hours ago [-]
What stops someone making GitHub spam accounts?
mahboi 19 hours ago [-]
How about ssh public keys
funshed 17 hours ago [-]
It uses your GitHub public keys to authenticate so you can post from the CLI.
bigwheels 21 hours ago [-]
Maybe spam concerns, but your point remains valid.
saghm 21 hours ago [-]
And having those passwords leaked is probably only another 1-2 prompts away
OtomotO 21 hours ago [-]
Guess I am simply not invited to the party then.
Or I am not a developer after all.
Identity crisis intensifies
pitched 21 hours ago [-]
The dev in /dev/null is device, not developer. So you’re not a device but you can still be a developer.
fatty_patty89 21 hours ago [-]
>Is this a real question? If so, here’s a real answer:
>Let's all be willing docile salves
This is how you sound
pants2 21 hours ago [-]
Nobody's forcing you to use that website
28304283409234 20 hours ago [-]
And for developers. Only a tiny percentage of the devs I know actually know what /dev/null is.
sandeepkd 21 hours ago [-]
How does publicly published PGP based login sounds?
iberator 18 hours ago [-]
Good point.
What if Microsoft black listed me from GitHub forever?
I'm also banned from Facebook for like decade
ranger_danger 21 hours ago [-]
FWIW DOS and Windows both have a null concept too:
C:\> TYPE file.txt >NUL
C:\>
Daviey 21 hours ago [-]
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flanz_10 18 hours ago [-]
> Everyone here signed in with GitHub.
ugh.
piro0919 1 hours ago [-]
Honestly, I don't think about it much when I ship things, but at the very least the landing page should explain clearly what it is.
Highly recommend going through the onboarding process and using it a bit. The git analogies and visual metaphors are a nice touch.
sp4cec0wb0y 21 hours ago [-]
Your posts have to be approved? Odd way to run a social network imo.
rafram 20 hours ago [-]
Kind of makes sense for a small operation. Better that than miss something bad for eight hours because the admin (presumably singular) is sleeping.
funshed 17 hours ago [-]
Uses AI, Jev or similar.
stephenlf 21 hours ago [-]
I signed up for TextLog a few weeks ago. I love the text-only social network, but their European infra meant too much latency for my US-based browsing. Maybe this will scratch that itch!
RonanSoleste 19 hours ago [-]
Y.a.t.c (yet another twitter clone). Except for theming it brings nothing new to the social media space.
I also dont think sending my tweets to a null device will do much for development.
Ill put my bets on Bsky or Mastodon here.
ktosobcy 19 hours ago [-]
Seems to be down...
What does it use? masto or hand-crafted stuff?
measurablefunc 19 hours ago [-]
I don't think you're getting the joke, the site is literally called /dev/null.
funshed 17 hours ago [-]
Laravel Backend, TypeScript Frontend.
vc892782 11 hours ago [-]
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davidcollantes 12 hours ago [-]
Looks like every post is a commit that needs to be approved by someone (they show as “pending"). How can that scale?
notpsychopath 11 hours ago [-]
Only the first post has to be approved by a moderator (for now), subsequent posts are automatically AI moderated and approved.
liminal-dev 5 hours ago [-]
How is that financially sustainable?
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hk1337 21 hours ago [-]
> Failed to open page
I'm guessing that wasn't expected result.
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deadbabe 21 hours ago [-]
/tmp/social would have been better I think. dev = device, doesn’t make sense.
hk1337 21 hours ago [-]
I like it. I might steal that.
antiloper 21 hours ago [-]
> Computah... build me a social network in PHP. Import the user's profile from GitHub, they shouldn't have to fill anything in. No likes, reposts or algorithms. Add a catchy slogan at the home page. Make no mistakes!
jchonphoenix 18 hours ago [-]
Wasn't this originally HN?
PaulKeeble 18 hours ago [-]
As HN has gotten bigger its pulled in other communities and now its not very developer/hacker oriented anymore. Lobsters was the first push to have the deep software talk back and there will be more as HN caters to a different crowd nowadays.
Horror, another platform without freedom of speech. And why should you if you already have Mastodon where you are protected by your instance?
ersind 21 hours ago [-]
Looks good!
JaceComix 21 hours ago [-]
Which part looks good?
The <50 words or the YouTube video?
I'm not saying this isn't a good idea or that people don't want something like this but... There's nothing here?
sidrag22 21 hours ago [-]
yep im confused, i see a handful of words that signals almost nothing other than there is potentially something behind the login gate. then an 8 hour video... im not just gonna jump into some random 8 hour video without any context, just as im not about to signup for something with no context for what it really is.
t1234s 21 hours ago [-]
Why do all these guys have "Soy Face" when you take their pictures?
ASalazarMX 20 hours ago [-]
TIL soy face is the 'unmasculine' version of pog face.
This is interesting: a. Developers on average are probably low on E trait in the Big Five b. Most users in the online developer communities (at least the ones who will be doing the "social" part, per the standard 1% rule of social platforms) loathe LinkedIn-style stuff, being asked to log in or provide PII. c. Most "social" services devs regularly use are for technical/utility stuff (GH, SO, subreddits) more than the social aspect.
If a, b and c are true, then this site is reinventing HN/proggit with forced GitHub login on top. NGMI.
I am always so floored when I see a new thing written all in PHP. I always got crap for using Perl most of my life.
sujalkhatri 19 hours ago [-]
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muslimpeacepriz 21 hours ago [-]
Shouldn't that domain be dev-null.social instead of 'shell'? Dorks.
rvz 21 hours ago [-]
> No likes. No reposts. No algorithm. Everything else goes to /dev/null.
*Closes tab
aftbit 21 hours ago [-]
Just skip the whole thing and send your thoughts straight to /dev/null
stephenlf 21 hours ago [-]
Weird, especially because it DOES have likes.
mnapoli 21 hours ago [-]
Yep our bad, we fixed this, no landing page anymore
zahlman 13 hours ago [-]
It's a really bad look not to at least review this sort of thing before going live.
cowlevel 2 hours ago [-]
It's the new era, baby. Nobody's going to be reviewing things. You just say "make me a social site for developers" and you have a social site for developers in just minutes!
wccrawford 21 hours ago [-]
No, it has stars. /s
sigh Yeah, that's really a bad look for them to claim no likes and then have something that is functionally identical.
bcourageous 16 hours ago [-]
My favorite social network
lenerdenator 21 hours ago [-]
Devs need to be around actual humans in-person more, not less.
ASalazarMX 21 hours ago [-]
I have the right amount of humans in my life, I don't want more. Online is great for me, for this use case.
cyanydeez 21 hours ago [-]
conceptually, just sounds like a place you go when you don't want anyone to hear, see or think about you.
brabel 21 hours ago [-]
A dream developer experience.
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thisisauserid 18 hours ago [-]
symlinked in.
TheChelsUK 21 hours ago [-]
Very good idea
xyst 19 hours ago [-]
Using GH as the only way to associate identity is a bit evil
nailer 21 hours ago [-]
I can't see any of the content unless I sign in.
I don't know if I want to sign in, because I can't see any of the content.
satiric 21 hours ago [-]
I'm thinking of it a different way. In order to join a social media network these days, I need to have some assurance that it's going to be worth my time. They didn't provide any, so screw 'em.
simonhamp 21 hours ago [-]
it was supposed to be public. maybe it got reverted. the team were moving super fast
mnapoli 21 hours ago [-]
yeah that's fixed
mnapoli 21 hours ago [-]
That's fixed
mmwon 19 hours ago [-]
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nailer 21 hours ago [-]
> follow people who write code, and commit plain text to a shared log.
Isn't that Twitter?
verdverm 21 hours ago [-]
Twitter is gone, isn't it? X under Elon is not a place I will ever hang out
Discord is where more dev communities are moving to
drnick1 18 hours ago [-]
> Discord is where more dev communities are moving to
Discord now requires age verification, so it is user-hostile and nobody should use it.
verdverm 18 hours ago [-]
I have not been asked for any age verification yet, US based
nailer 19 hours ago [-]
No, everyone is still there talking about programming. Your choice, but you’re missing out.
verdverm 18 hours ago [-]
that's the thing, I do not think I'm missing out, HN is more than enough
I think the people who remain (on any big social) are missing out on IRL alternatives, if you get into it, you will find it is a much more rewarding way to spend your time.
> Dave: "Bot, add a folder to my personal data store with the pictures I took this weekend and share it with everyone in my poker group"
> Sally: "I see that I've gotten an email from Dave with a magic link conveying access to something. Bot, use this link to negotiate a key exchange with whatever weird app Dave cobbled together (ask his bot if you need help) and then log into my VPS and add a tab to my personal webapp to display the content he has shared."
That might be overly optimistic, but it doesn't feel that far off. It's kind of what Tim Berners-Lee build https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_project for right?
There are also places like https://tilde.town/ if you want something more social media–esque
I suppose I can't say I don't want to be part of it without sounding like sour grapes.
But if you don't like me you can join them and benefit from them keeping riff-raff like me out!
That hasn't changed, but what has changed is that reading docs and writing the glue code is effectively free. The main problem with something like Solid is, if it takes even an hour to figure out how to get it going, I am effectively assigning my friends an hour of homework to be able to network with me. That's no longer true. If you like the Fediverse and I like Solid and Dave uses Nostr and Sally is stuck with some proprietary thing that came with her NAS, we can all build a network without any of us switching to, or even learning much about, each other's platforms.
I want a better version of reddit.
https://dev-null.sh/sitemaps/commits-1.xml
https://www.facebook.com/robots.txt (186 sitemap files listed, none are accessible to me)
Perhaps these require an "acceptable browser" and/or an account
Why sitemap URLs. Because I'm a sitemaps user; I use sitemap files every day
The /dev/null ones seem to be easily accessible. Unlike some other "social networks"
Now that I have it up and running, my feed is entirely people just hating on LLMs. I have a hard time finding technical content that I enjoy on there these days.
And, I would rather talk to an AI Luddite that's extraordinarily technically competent without AI assistance than someone who vibe-coded a startup with no idea how it works, and the former is far more common on the fediverse than the latter. I think it's unfortunate there's such a strong emotional component to talking about LLMs, as it's the most interesting technical innovation since the internet, but I understand it and I'm sympathetic to it (the AI companies have done a good job giving people reasons to hate and/or fear them).
It's likely just my bubble on there, but man it's relentless. I don't want to just hear everything about what you hate. I want to hear what you love!
But the problem with all of these Twitter clones is the political schism of Musk's acquisition has largely polarized the offshoots. You aren't just on alt-Twitter, you're on a specific polarized chunk of it.
I follow many people who use infosec.exchange and hachyderm.io and they seem to be nerd-oriented instances. But it doesn't matter all that much, since you can follow and interact across the whole federation. I'd say just pick one that's reasonably large and old enough to have proven it is run by people who know how to run a reliable service and are in it for the long haul. It's possible to move to a new instance with only a little inconvenience, so don't agonize too much over it.
That sucks. I'm not exactly looking forward to joining another community with "strict" moderation.
Every mastodon instance I look up seems to be like this... Guess I'm stuck on X.
And, you might like to look into what that actually means. In the case of mas.to, the controversial decisions include defederation of instances that have a history of bigotry, usually anti-trans bigotry (the kind of bigotry lots of mainstream social sites allow and even protect).
Defederation is a large hammer, so some folks think mas.to is too strict. But, I personally prefer no slurs or child porn in my feed (adults posting nudes of themselves with a content warning is fine, both by my reckoning and the policy of mas.to), so I've never had reason to complain, nor have I ever had an interaction with moderators.
X is far more censorious than Mastodon of the kinds of free speech that are actually politically meaningful, so I'm surprised you call it out specifically as your free speech safe space. But, if you mean the same thing Musk means when you say "free speech", the right to punch down with impunity, perhaps X is the right place. Punching down is exactly the kind of thing that gets you banned on many Mastodon instances. It is a place that is by and large extremely intolerant of intolerance, but accepting of most everything else.
Haven't seen anyone get censored on X without a court order yet, but I haven't been there that long. Who knows.
I know. It isn't a mystery or a secret. It is easy for anyone, including you, to know.
https://www.advocate.com/media/alejandra-caraballo-banned-x
https://observer.com/2022/12/elon-musk-suspend-twitter-accou...
https://www.wired.com/story/x-twitter-ban-critics/
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-x-twitter-account-...
It's pretty apparent neo-Nazis were welcomed back after Musk's purchase of the site and they've been paid for their engagement ragebait, while anyone who criticizes Musk or disagrees with his genocidal white nationalist views gets suspended or shadow-banned. Criticizing billionaires won't get you suspended on Mastodon, while hate speech against minorities will. I prefer that kind of moderation.
I've resigned to the fact people are always going to identify some outgroup to shun. It sucks when you're that outgroup, and the intolerance is not at all limited to literal neonazism. Just being an AI user is enough to turn up the heat these days. So I'd rather nobody have that censorship privilege.
Basically, I don't like it when neonazis get a pass while those calling them out get banned. I don't like it when minorities get a pass either. It's the inconsistency that makes me lose all respect for the community.
HN is absolutely not such a place, unfortunately, the local censorship policy is very strong.
You might also get banned from some instances if you post AI-generated content without clearly labeling it as such; misinformation and disinformation is often something people report, and generative AI is often used for that.
It is misleading to say Mastodon is the same as X just "the other side". The policies on the most popular Mastodon instances can be summed up as "don't be a bigot" (i.e. don't use slurs, don't demean people for who they are...anti-semitism, anti-LGBTQ, racism, religious intolerance, will get you banned).
And, it would be misleading to say that users not wanting to look at what you post is censorship. Mastodon.social or mas.to or any of the other big instances are not going to ban you for talking about AI. But, you might catch some blocks and a few insults from individuals if you post AI in a deceptive or annoying way. You're not owed engagement. But, if you're polite about it, you'll find people who like to talk about the same things. Even including AI.
But, finally, what the hell does this even mean, "I don't like it when minorities get a pass either"? A pass for being a minority? If someone posts abusively, they get blocked, maybe reported and maybe catch a ban. But, simply posting while black is not getting a pass.
> don't demean people for who they are
Unless they are acceptable targets of some enemy outgroup.
People already have numerous slurs for AIs and their users, and they aren't shy about using them.
> A pass for being a minority?
A pass for the very same behavior they claim to be against.
I expect people who are offended by slurs not to level any slurs at others.
I expect people who object to racism not to be racist towards others.
I expect people who object to sexism not to be sexist towards others.
I expect people who object to doxxing not to do it to others.
I expect anti-fascists not to display overtly fascist behavior.
And so on, and so forth. Many have failed these simple consistency tests.
> maybe catch a ban
Doubt. It's far more likely that I'm the one who will get banned if I dare to bring any of this up.
I suppose that's the reason people like me end up on X.
What kind of nonsense are you talking about, show me at least one example of statements that can be interpreted in the way that you described? Leftists have gone completely berserk with their conspiracy theories.
https://nitter.click/elonmusk/status/1724908287471272299
Before that I just had an account on multiple (mostly gamedev) instances.
Mastodon has its issues but one benefit of decentralization is you don't really have to commit to anything.
Having identities tied to a domain and an instance is one of the biggest flaws with the fediverse IMO.
I'd much prefer something like Solid or Nostr where your identity is owned by you and described by a single file. Maybe involving PGP keys or some kind of cryptographic hash, although that might be too much of a barrier to be viable. It's a hard problem and the way the fediverse handles it is awkward at best.
Mental illnesses, fear, lack of trust, hatred for HN having a simplistic and prone-to-abuse account registration system, or being a complete asshat.. the list goes on.
I would describe the website as “twitter for developers and uses your GitHub account for auth”. It’s a simple concept, but I think using your GitHub account to sign in is a great idea and a meaningful differentiator. Good luck!
No good developer would introduce such a security risk for novelty.
So not at all ready to be seen? Maybe we should all flag this so it can re-appear once someone spent at least a bit of time on making it proper and ready for public consumption?
https://www.phoenixframework.org/
https://phoenix.hexdocs.pm/channels.html
Didn’t enough account bans happen to see that’s a bad idea?
If 'dev' is developer, 'null' makes me think it's for worthless developers, or for things that developers don't care about.
bin = trash
lib = dumb politics go here
var = typo of car, automobiles go here
GitHub is the single most widely adopted, developer-specific OIDC identity provider.
If it’s facetious, then WSL BABYYYYYY
Edit: it's part of your profile already, better vibe code some random ideas to farm some GitHub dev credibility.
For example, I'm sure there's a scary-talented engineer working on fluid simulation algorithms for a major aerospace manufacturer, and they would be fired if their work-product ever left the corporate VPN. Meanwhile, their personal stuff is in a self-hosted solution.
Or I am not a developer after all.
Identity crisis intensifies
>Let's all be willing docile salves
This is how you sound
What if Microsoft black listed me from GitHub forever? I'm also banned from Facebook for like decade
ugh.
++ was (is?) the icon to upvote
What does it use? masto or hand-crafted stuff?
I'm guessing that wasn't expected result.
I'm not saying this isn't a good idea or that people don't want something like this but... There's nothing here?
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/soy_face
If a, b and c are true, then this site is reinventing HN/proggit with forced GitHub login on top. NGMI.
*Closes tab
sigh Yeah, that's really a bad look for them to claim no likes and then have something that is functionally identical.
I don't know if I want to sign in, because I can't see any of the content.
Isn't that Twitter?
Discord is where more dev communities are moving to
Discord now requires age verification, so it is user-hostile and nobody should use it.
I think the people who remain (on any big social) are missing out on IRL alternatives, if you get into it, you will find it is a much more rewarding way to spend your time.